A Constellation of False Doctrine 7:
A Constellation of False Doctrine
In an earlier debate concerning the Trinity and Oneness doctrines, I raised the issue that one reason I reject the doctrine of the Trinity is that there is a huge constellation of false doctrine orbiting it. It was after this debate that I decided to make an actual list of the different false doctrines that have been given birth because of the Trinity doctrine.
Kenneth James Solheim Th.B. Sunday, August 14, 2005
No.7 They Ought to Have Known…
Source: A Youth Pastor and Master of Theology from the Assemblies of God Church.
Context: A very common argument for the doctrine of the Trinity is that Jesus Christ of Nazareth said things that the 1st Century Jews understood to mean that He was claiming to be God. This argument is further reinforced with the oft expressed claim, “…and these were Jews…they should know what it was that Jesus was saying…”
In John 8:40 Jesus stated publicly that He is a man.
“But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.” (John 8:40 KJV)
I work with a wonderful young man, Mark, who is a Youth Pastor for the Assemblies of God Church. He has also earned a Master of Theology degree from the Assemblies. One day I asked him a question about the Trinity doctrine. I quoted from John 8:40, pointing out that in this verse Jesus clearly and unequivocally declares that He is a man. I then asked him if Jesus ever clearly, and unequivocally, declared that He is a god? To his credit and as a testimony to his honesty he freely admitted that, “No, He never did.”
“But,” Mark added, “Jesus did make certain statements that others clearly understood to be declarations insinuating that He is God.”
Now I have heard this argument before from other Trinitarians. Several times, for example, from the ministers who answer questions from callers to a nationally aired Christian Radio Program that I love to listen to and help support. In answer to the question as to whether or not Jesus ever claimed to be god, John 10:33 is often quoted.
“The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.” (John 10:33 KJV)
The argument stands upon the idea that what Jesus was saying meant, at least in the ears of the men who heard Him that He was claiming to be God. If this is true, that is, if what Jesus was saying does in fact indicate that He is god and if He were not god then this was a capital offense. But is this a correct assessment of Jesus words or not?
I have a problem with this argument:
I find it very interesting that Trinitarians use the conclusions of these men as a foundation to their doctrine. I offer the words of Jesus as a foundation to the doctrine that Jesus is a man but the Trinitarians offer the words of these Jewish men as the basis for their doctrine. Maybe we should take a closer look at the identity of these Jews.
At first glance, I think it is necessary to point out, that these men were ready to KILL Jesus. These men were not Jesus disciples or His followers. These men were the leaders of the Jews who hated Jesus. They saw Him as a threat to their enterprise and they were plotting to kill Jesus. Simply turn a page back and consider these verses, taken from the same chapter, from the same event, and read God’s take on these men, these men who are the foundation to the Trinitarian’s argument that Jesus claimed to be god.
Jesus answered them, ‘I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me.’
“But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.”
The Trinitarians are using the words of men who choose not to believe Jesus, who choose not to believe that He was the Christ, and who choose not to believe His words. These were men who hounded Jesus and tried to trip Him up into saying or holding a position that would turn the hearts of men and women away from their Savior. Jesus clearly states that they were not His sheep; rather, we know that they were wicked men working against Jesus and therefore against God the Father’s Plan of the Ages.
I asked myself, “Why don’t these Trinitarian scholars, pastors, and Sunday school teachers take the words of Jesus disciples, or the words of those who followed Jesus, or for that matter, why not take Jesus’ own words as a foundation for their doctrine? Why? Because their words do not substantiate their man-made doctrine that Jesus was god that is why!
Why turn a deaf ear to John the Baptist’s words? John was appointed by God the Father to point out the Messiah to the Nation of Israel. What was his testimony? John said,
“Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. This is he of whom I said, ‘After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.’” (John 1:29 KJV)
Why not quote from John the Baptist, the man God choose to point out the Messiah to the Children of Israel? Why? Because, John the Baptist does not declare that Jesus is a god. John the Baptist does not identify Jesus Christ of Nazareth as “God the Son”. John’s words do not support the Trinitarian doctrine that Jesus is a god. That is why.
Why not quote from God the Father? Do you think that we can trust His testimony of Jesus Christ? God the Father spoke through the High Priest, Caiaphas, while he was with other wicked men who were plotting how to kill Jesus and Lazarus, and He, God the Father, said this of Jesus,
“You know nothing at all! You do not realize that it is better for you that one man die for the people than that the whole nation perish.” (John 11: 49b and 50 NIV)
“One man.” God the Father doesn’t call Jesus “god”. God the Father doesn’t call Jesus Christ of Nazareth "God the Son" like the Trinitarians, should we?
Consider these witnesses;
John’s Witness Pool:
ü John the Baptist, “A man who comes after me…” John 1:30
ü Samaritan Woman at Jacob’s Well, “Come see a man…” 4:19
ü Invalid at the Pool at Bethesda, “…the man who made me well…” 5:11
ü Jesus own siblings (by inference), “…even His brothers did not believe in Him.” 7:3-5
ü Jews at the Temple, “Where is that man?” 7:10,11
· “…a good man…” 7:12
· “How did this man get such learning?” 7:15
· “Isn’t this the man they are trying to kill?” 7:25
· “…a man…” 10:21
· “…all that John (the Baptist) said about this man was true.” 10:41
ü Some Who Believed, “Surely this man is the Prophet.” 7:40
ü Temple Guards, “…no man speaks as this man…” 7:46
ü Jesus, “You are trying to kill me a man…” 8:40
· (And by inference), If they had believed Jesus they would have known that His teachings were His Father’s teachings and not His (man’s) own. 7:16-18
· “No greater love has any man then to lay down His life for His friends.” 15:15
ü The man blind from birth, “The man they call Jesus…” 9:11-33
ü Pharisees, “…because you, a mere man claim to be god.” 10:33
ü Caiaphas, “…if one man died…” 18:14
ü Pilate, “Here is the man…” 19:5
ü Chief Priests, “…but this man…” 19:21
Consider also Matthew’s Witness Pool from his Gospel;
ü Angel to Joseph, “She (Mary) will give birth to a son…” Mat. 1:21, 23, and 25; also 2:13 and 14, and finally 2:20, and 21(These are important verses in that Jesus is referred to as a “child” and not as god or “God the Son”. Jesus is referred to as a “child” in connection to Mary His mother. Mary is not the mother of god as some Trinitarians claim, rather she is clearly said to be the mother of a man.)
ü Herod to the Magi, “Go and make a careful search for the child.” 2:8
ü The Word of God, “the star…stopped over the place…the child…” 2:9
· “They found the child with his mother…” 2:11
· “While Jesus was talking His mother and brothers…” 12:46-49
ü Jesus, “It is written: man does not live on bread alone…” 4:4
· “…neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son…” Mat. 11:27
ü The Centurion with a paralyzed servant, “For I am myself a man…” 8:9
ü Jesus Disciples, “What kind of man is this?” 8:27
ü Teachers of the Law, “This fellow is blaspheming!” 9:3
ü Crowd, “…they praised God, Who had given such authority to men…” 9:8
ü People of Jesus hometown, “Where did this man get this wisdom…” 13:54, 56
ü Peter’s denial, “I do not know the man!” 26:72, and 74
ü Pilate’s Wife, “Don’t have anything to do with that innocent man…” Mat. 27:19
ü Pilate, “I am innocent of this man’s blood…” Matt. 27:24
Consider the testimony of the Centurion in Mark’s Gospel.
ü Centurion at the Cross, “Surely this man was the Son of God.” Mark 15:39
Consider these witnesses from Luke’s Witness Pool;
ü “The Whole Assembly”, (Council of Elders of the People, Chief Priests, and the Teachers of the Law) “We have found this man subverting our Nation.”
ü Pilate, “I find no basis for a charge against this man.” 23:4
· “Pilate asked if the man was a Galilean.” 23:6
· “…you brought me this man…” 23:14
· “What crime has this man committed?” 23:22
ü Criminal Crucified at Jesus Side, “But this man has done nothing wrong.” 23:41
ü Centurion at the Cross, “Surely this was a righteous man.” 23:47
Consider Peter’s witness of Jesus on the day of Pentecost;
ü Peter’s First sermon in the New Testament, “Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death:” Acts 2:22-24a KJV
Consider also Paul the Apostle’s testimony found in his Epistles;
ü 1 Timothy 2:4-6 “…the man Christ Jesus. Who gave Himself a ransom for all…”
ü 2 Timothy 2:8 “Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David, was raised up from the dead…”
ü Hebrews 2:11 “For both He that sanctified and they who are sanctified are all one…”
ü Hebrews 2:16 “…the seed of Abraham…”
ü Hebrews 2:17 “…to be made like His brethren…”
ü Hebrews 3:3 “For this man was counted worthy…”
ü Hebrews 3:5 and 6 “And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after; 6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we…” (In Acts 3 Peter testified to the Pharisees that Jesus was a prophet like unto Moses, not a god.)
ü Hebrews 4:15; 5:1 and 7 “For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin….For every high priest taken from among men (Not taken from the gods on Mars Hill or Mount Olympia or from the Christian Holy Trinity!—my words, kjs) … Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications …;
ü Hebrews 7:14 “For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Judah…”
ü Hebrews 9:27 and 28 “…it is appointed unto men once to die…So, Christ was once offered…”
ü Hebrews 10:12 “But this man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the Right Hand of God.” (The Trinitarians will tell you that it is “God the Son” who sits at the Right Hand of God. This is a lie not a mystery. The Trinity doctrine does not come from the Holy Scriptures but from a lie!)
ü Romans 1:3 and 4 “Concerning His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord, who was made of the seed of David according to the flesh…” (Jesus was made “of the seed of David” not “of a god”!)
ü Romans 5:12 to 21 “…by one man…”
ü I Corinthians 15:21-25 “For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits;” (The first fruits of a tree are like the remaining fruit, in this case mankind, not gods!)
What should we believe? Should we believe that Jesus was a man or was He a god? I believe that Jesus was a man. Nowhere in the scriptures are we told that Jesus was a god.
Is Jesus “God the Son” (a term not found in any translation of the Holy Scriptures)? The Bible does not assert this, should we? Is Jesus a man? What is the testimony of the Holy Scriptures, shouldn’t this be our testimony?
In the interest of keeping this message short I have not pursued all the scriptures that call Jesus Christ of Nazareth “a prophet” but more importantly, “the Prophet” who was promised in Old Testament Messianic prophecies. Men selected by God were prophets. It is God whose words are spoken through the prophets, He is not the prophet. God is never called a prophet.
I also ignored all the scriptures that call Jesus “Christ” or “Messiah”. “Christ” is from the Greek and “Messiah” comes from the Hebrew and each speak of a man, each word means, “the anointed one”. God anoints man to do His work, God is not anointed, “He Is”, God doesn’t lack anything therefore He is not wanting for anything, for example He is not lacking anointing! Therefore each word refers to Jesus of Nazareth as a man, not a god.
Remember, if you have any questions feel free to contact me.
It is not a mystery it is a contradiction.